Peace and blessings everyone here in the movement, hope all had a nice holiday weekend with your families regardless of what your particular spiritual belief system is. And Happy New Year as 1/1/11 draws near!
Anyway I have been wanting to post up the infamous “Nograpes” theory and hopefully sparxx a more detailed discussion about it. Please keep in mind that I am not endorsing this theory nor do I dismiss it. I am posting it as a matter of record, to have it documented here on TAT for members to reference it if they choose.
Now, maybe others here are more familiar with this theory and it’s history can shed more light on it than I can, but as I understand it the story goes something like this….Back several years ago there was a female known online as “NoGrapes” who online heads say she would post in a few forums and briefly had a website. She is responsible for this theory, some say that her website dedicated to the theory mysteriously came down after a very short time being up, and she essentially disappeared online. Her theory survives to this day simply reposted in an assortement of tupac forums by the fans.
Personally, I cannot confirm much about where this theory first originated thru my own research, other than to say the earliest time I have seen that I can trace back this theory being discussed is in mid to late 2003, on a broken down (basically abandoned and inactive) old tupac forum that is still somewhat accessible. In a few discussions, a few fellow old skool heads that was active online at that time have said the theory could even go back a few years prior to that, but I cant confirm that.
The reason I raise the issue of the timeline is because 2003 is when Ressurrection came out, it was 7 years later etc etc…very active year. When I looked closely there are a few very slight details in NoGrapes that can be gleaned from the Ressurrection book and documentary. No smoking gun, just a few slight lil jewels that work with the book in particular. If NoGrapes was actually a year or 2 prior to 2003 I might find that kinda interesting, but if she was simply a fan inspired by things going on in 03 and thats when she wrote it would make more sense.
There are 3 parts, but apparently there were supposed to be more but the first 3 were all that were ever posted. Some have told me they have seen parts 4, 5, etc…but I have never seen them. If you got em then show em LOL. ..
For those who may not know, or may have forgotten, my belief is
simple[well not exactly lol] I believe that the attempted assassination of
Tupac Shakur was a part of an on-going plot [set-up etc] that
involves the following people: The New York Black Mafia[Paffy],
Agents, working both for the FBI and another “unknown”
organizations, and Marion “suge” Knight [and the various people who worked for him etc]. But those three main people together. Whether
directly or indirectly had part in the “assassination” of Tupac.
Let me start off my “theory” with some very important quotes from
the open letter, written by Dr. Mutulu Shakur.
“Surely, the FBI was in Las Vegas on Sep. 7, 1996”–Shakur
“AFENI and I have never supported a Crip vs Blood feud as presented
by the Las Vegas Police concerning our son’s assossination. And, I
have always pushed the “Codes of the Thug Life”–Shakur.
“If our families(SHAKURS) lack of respense to rumors and allegations
contributed to any confusion as to what princeple we stand on; let it
be known and clear!! We do not believe in COINCIDENCES.”
“Tupac in his Makaveli record clearly changed his wrongful view of
who shot him and who was heading it in New York, and why”–Shakur
For those who may have forgotten, I asked many times: “why do you
guys think BIGGIE’s name was not mentioned on the Makaveli
“Tupac revisedhis wrongful (stance) against Biggie’s involvement
concerning his shooting in New York. And he wanted his “Fans” to
-But does Tupac mention the Black Mafia? YES, KING TUT!
-But does Tupac mention Puffy? Yes he does!
-But does Tupac mention the Feds? Yes he does!
-But does Tupac mention Suge?…YES HE —–DOES! “SUGE SHOT
ME” IS WHAT YOU HEAR , DON’T LET SOMEONE FOOL YOU INTO
I was planning to drive right into the “investigative” aspect of
my theory, but I have decided to save it for the conclusion[parts 6 &
7]. Part II is going to explain: (1) How I think Tupac survived; (2)
Whom I believe helped him do it (3) Why this is all necessary
[motivation], and (4) What I think the last piece of the puzzle is.
I. The Black Liberation Army (BLA) helped Tupac “evade” death. I.
BLA Commander & Chief John Thomas No facts and No specifec data
is revealed regarding the activity of the BLA in order to protect
people who are either functioning in the BLA [Tupac] or who have
been apart of it. (The BLA is basically a secret underground, not
many people believe they are still “active”. “The Black Liberation
Army is a politico-military organization, whos primary objective is to
fight for the independance and self-determination of Afrikan, and
other oppressed people inb the United States.”
“BPP-BLA, “comrade” Assata Shakur was liberated, and BLA soldiers
were captured during Nyack Brinks armored car expropriation
[Mutulu Shakur was one of them the “mastermind”]
I. Understand these terms: COMRADE, and MASTERMIND.
Definition of Mastermind: A highly intelligent person, especially one
who plans and directs a complex or defficult project.
A. Know that Tupac is both a comrade and a mastermind. Take note
of his only uses of the word came at the “end” in the Makaveli album
etc…Various timeshe mentiones “his” comrades, we also hear
speeches from some mixed in with songs, he mentiones Sekou Odinga
[Yafeu Fulu’s father], Geronimo Pratt, Mutulu, Mumia etc as his
I. The mureder of BLA Commander John Thomas in September 1996
[in Las Vegas, NV] as well as Dr. Shakur’s statement from “part
I” [“Surely the FBI was in Las Vegas on Sept. 7, 1996”–] is more
than enough “evidence” to me, that Agents were present.
[Remember the MURDER TAPE? Well it was
first introduced to you all as a “SURVEILLANCE VIDEO” How many
times has Tupac stated that he was “under Surveillance” by the Feds?
About a dozen[more on that later]
Tupac had a plan for that night, he knew going to Las Vegas was
unavoidable[it is a common fact that he repeatedly told Suge he
didn’t want to go]. However, he didn’t go alone, his Comrades [who
waited anxiously to attack the first Agent they saw] were watching
Tupac. Agents concerned with the assassination “stopped” the BMW
[if you recall, the excuse was “loud music”] in order to create a
change of plans, you see Tupac never expected to get shot that
night, he planned to go to WAR! But something happened and I’m
not sure what, but John Thomas ended up dead, and Tupac was
successfully “shot 4x” [Lord knows what else they did] ***warlike
codes are dispatched to other comrades…MAU MAU UNTIS*** “RIDE
OR DIE – RIDE OR DIE! Do you know what it means? It means: “the
enemy is here kill or be killed” Javana Thomas: the 19 year old
daughter of John abd Ignae Thomas was “undercover” as a
Paramedic. [who called for an anbulance? They say it was metro
byke cops, but they never identified those men so they are full of shit
in my opinion, besides I like my theory much better and I can prove
half of it]
Javana arrived to the location with another comrade, no
one suspected anything, and they took Tupac away in an anbulance!!
All I know is Tupac got to the hospital, and Javana was found dead in
a medical uniform! [Fact or fiction? Go to your local library and look
up old articles] It is my belief that the mystery
“paramedics” were BLA souljas….
There are so many theories out there on who killed Tupac. My theory
is quite simple and to the point. Anyone who knows anything about
COINTELPRO would easily see this as another one of the
government’s plot to create dissention amongst black people. See, I
see it like this. The government at some level was involved in the
death of our comrade. By assassinating Bro. Tupac, this would cause
an all out war from east to west. They used Tupac’s anger towards
east coast rappers as a stiulus to create a war amongst us. If the US
can find a microchip in a trackload of sugar, surely they can find
those responsible. There are cameras all over Las Vegas yet not one
was in the vicinity of the shooting? Conviently all the evidence
pointed to Orlando (the beating victim earlier that evening). And
then he was killed.
The we look at the murder of Yaki Khaddafi in New Jersey. You have
to look at a lot of things to understand what’s going on. If this was
all an operation to help Tupac avoided prison in New York and to
leave Death Row….The Black Liberation Army is the one group who
could’ve made it happen.
If you think you’re not understanding that Tupac was very close to, and
apart of the Black Liberation Army [the new generation, he is
cammander now Code of Arms: THUG LIFE The BLA [Tupac] did
make it happen. Note: John Thomas , and Ignae Thomas took care of
Sekiyma Shakur [Tupac’s little sester] when Afeni started using drugs. Tupac
went on about his career [early days digital underground etc] He
went to Atlanta to get “Training” from Mr. John Thomas himself.
They are all one big extended family of “souljahs” just went to make
that clear, cause sounds like your not sure if the BLA would have
been involved, and Tupac is the BLA.
Part II continues now….[investigative aspect]
“The day of his death , “I Aint Mad At Cha” and “Life Goes On” are
released, both of which talk about his death. According to Chris Reid,
“I Aint Mad At Cha” talks anout forgiving a friend who was present at
his death, possibly set him up. Yeah, wassup Suge? Everybody know
you killed his ass, BUT ONLY I KNOW YOU JUST TRY TO…….”
A “drive by” is defined as: when shots are fired from a “moving”
vehicle. There was no drive by, cause the vehicle was not moving, and the
assailant(s) got out of the vehicle. So why was the BMW shot so
many times if the shoter had direct contact? Cause it was
suppose to look like a drive by.
Why was Tupac found in the back seat? If he moved in the back seat
and they sprayed the car that much with him and Suge still in it,
then how the fuck was he hit only 4x lol and Suge not at all? Common sense.
[Watch CSI or something]
The shooter got out of the vehicle , the vehicle was not moving…[It is
a fact, not a belief, that the shooter approached the car, Suge said
that himself(he slipped out)]. Tupac got his finger shot or cut off [it
was missing how exactly has not yet been determined] how do we
know it’s missing? Interview with rapper Yo-Yo Reports from David
Pugh of UMC [newspaper articles from 1996 with comments from the
director of media relations stated he had several wounds including a
missing middle finger]. His injuries imply that there was some type of
09/1996 Tupac stayed at the Luxor Hotel. After the incident with
“Orlando Anderson” he went back to his room, he was upset cuz he was
suppese to meet up with outlawz, but they didn’t show!!!!!
How do we know this? A worker at the Luxor Hotel told reporters of
Tupac’s odd behavior, she said “He came to the front desk more
than 5x in 30 minutes asking if his friends came looking for him or
left a message , even after I told him no he said “are you sure?” I
would say he was a little paranoid or nervous about something”.
Yassmyn Fulu on the [remaining] outlawz, “That’s blood in my eye”
she says, “blood in my eye” If you don’t know what it means, it
means betrayal, but so deep that now she wants revenge, she sees
only their blood.
Why didn’t the outlawz meet Tupac at the MGM? LOL damn!!!! Fear is
stronger than love, however, comrade Kadafi is different, he was
aware and was purposely held back from getting to where Pac was.
Even witness’s say Kadafi was on the other side of the hospital lobby
when the rest of the outlawz were on the opposite, why did he keep
his distance? He knew shit was foul, guess what guys? THAT’S WHY
HE’S DEAD! You think he was gonna be quiet? That’s Tupac’s family
[the people involved in the movement cancidered themselves one big
family, that’s why Yaki and Pac grew up so close, plus for those who
aint knowin’ SEKOU ODINGA, member of the BLA, in prison for life is
Yaki’s father. So the feds wanted him too….
Tupac got —— over big time.
Suge Knight would have been clear if he wouldn’t have gotten greedy,
cause of his greed Tupac figured out what was really going on….
Tupac made a call to Yassmyn Fulu to set up the down payment for
the new building that was suppose to house Euthanasia
records….Yassmyn calls Pac back…..
“There is no money in your account”
“What?!” Tupac is pissed, REASON WHY THE CONTRACT IS
HIGHLIGHTED IN THE MOVE [RESURRECTION]….is because he was
suppose to be paid “1 million advance for 3 albums, un-refundable
and due upon signing[Sept. 16, 1995]
“1,5 million for publishing [Tupac wrote all his lyrics]
“$500,000 due upon recieving “R U S till Down”
“$500,000 due upon recieving “untitled final album” [which of course
was later called Makaveli: the don Killuminati 7 day theory]
“For Tupac A. Shakur Total amounts paid shall be $4.75 million for 3
albums [2.25 refundable] which the following projects add 1 million
each: “Live To Tell” [screenplay]
“Before I sign these things must be included and the changes must
be made. The option clause must be voluntary” [all figures from
actual contract] Tupac FIRED David Kenner….and then he thought!
He thought long and hard…
Suge is my friend why would he not pay me? etc etc etc, Tupac
started putting shit together thinking about everything…he tested
“I think I’m gonna go to Atlanta work things out with my family…..”–Pac
“No you have to came to Vegas man….”–Suge
Something else to ponder: the reason why Tupac stayed “alive” so
long is cause Suge is greedy, he liked the monet Tupac was
making for him, but he was suppose to get rid of him ASAP [ha!
that’s why it didn’t work, he took too long]Everything got rushed,
because Pac fired David Kenner and officially LEFT death row, Suge
knew he had to hurry up and do it while people assumed they were
so “close” that way most people wouldn’t think of him as a suspect
cause he was a “friend” but this would have went down…say in
September of 1997 and Pac had his own company up and running
with no more ties to death row….he would be looked at
differently…don’t even let me get started Travon Lane he really —–
—up by going to club 662[which is really derived from the
California penal code for death row, not the letters m.o.b. from
the telephone key pad lol] Tray got to the club and told people “Pac
just got shot by that crip we jumped earlier at the MGM, baby lane
[Orlando Anderson] hence, he began spreading their “alibi”
LOL, someone please explain how the hell Tray knew that? When
#1 they said they didn’t see the shooters[they lied] #2 Suge lied
cause he said he didn’t know who shot Pac or have any idea, #3
plus everyone who was following behind the BMW was held at the
scene by the police…So how did Tray, Buntry, Neckbone and Heron
[who just so happened to be riding all in one car together [4 men!!]
How did they get away? Why weren’t they held? How? Why?
Impossible! They did it! That’s how they got away! Tupac was caught
off guard cuz the people who pulled up next to him were familiar
faces!!! BUNTRY is no blood he is a member of the BOUNTY KILLAS
they are known for killing anyone for price!!!
*****That was just a couple of key points I wanted to make before
continuing on with my “theory” it is important that you keep the
above information in mind while I continue on with my theory,
otherwise you will get confused. This is a very complex theory
and I’m doing my best to explain it as clear as possible.
One person’s theory is another statement of the facts?
I put a lot of time into the theories I write. I spend countless hours
gathering correct dates, and specific facts to back up the mojority of
what I say, and for that reason I tend to be extremely sensetive to
any opposition that is not also supported with substantial evidence.
My theory differs from that of others cause I believe it 100%. I
really cannot stress the amount of appreciation I have for you all that take
the time to read my thoughts, findings and facts.
“To go underground is very difficult. Whatever made you unique as a
person, you have to change all of that and become somebody totally
different you are out of contact with your family. Former BLA member.
As I have stated in part II of my theory I believe Tupac Shakur has
gone “underground” that does not inply going under the earth or
anything of that nature. The meaning of going underground is what
the above^ quote suggests: that a person must change himself or
herself, physically, mentally, and emotionally including the use of
false indentification, however, one may suggest it may be a lot easier
to just “fake your death”……………..
Was Tupac shot 9/7/’96? Yes
Did Tupac die 9/13/’96? No
In his song “Hold Ya Head” from DK7 album he says “Runing
from the authorities until they capture me…and my aim is to spread
more smiles than tears, utilize lessons learned from my childhood
years” [Note, every BLA member who has been underground has
stayed put until they were captured. But this doesn’t mean we wont
ever see Tupac again. i.e. Mutulu Shakur [stepfather of Tupac]
underground for 5 years until cartured in 1985, Sekou Odinga [father of
Yafeu Fula] underground for 12 years until he was captured.
In that quote did Tupac not say that he was going to “utilize lessons learned
from his childhood?” If you recall during his childhood he was around
members of the BLA, BPP, and RNA (Black Liberal Army, Black
Panther Party, and Republic of New Africans)
Another thing, Tupac often mentiones in his songs: “Conversations
with camrades kicking [speaking] Swahili” Does he really know how
to speak Swahili? It is possible, not to mention the likeliness of him
being in Africa is very high considering comrade Geronimo Pratt[his
Godfather and once minister of defence for the BPP] now lives there
or how about Cuba with comrade Assata Shakur? But then again that
is where everyone would expect him to be. More than likely Tupac is
here, in the “Good, ol’ USA”
Many things were reported about Tupac’s “death”, some things true,
and the rest, of course, false. Tupac Shakur was shot four times in
Las Vegas, NV on September 7, 1996 and died seven days later on
September 13th. Part of that sentence was correct, Tupac was shot,
but IT WASN’T TUPAC WHO DIED!!!!!!!The media failed, like usual to report
the more important findings surrounding this assassination attempt.
How many people are aware of the “plot” to rid the world of Tupac
Shakur? Not many. This plot was executed by Marion Suge Knight,
and financed and arranged by the highest-ranking socialities of
corporate and political America( not to mention the aid of
Government Agents, Informants, and the leeway of the Mafia).
Tupac Shakur has always been active politically. Other than his art
(acting and rapping) he was planning the rebirth of all the
“underdogs” in America. He devised a plan to transform the street
thug into a street soldier. He noticed that noone in government
wanted to deal with the problems in the urban ghettos. He realized
the potential in the young men society had thrown away.
He knew there was a way to change the mentality of those involved
in the street hutle. “I think gangs can be positive, it just has to be
organized and without violence.” He developed a code of ethics for
all people engaged in criminal activity (drug dealers, gang bangers,
etc) to live by with hopes of rebuilding urban communities,
eliminating black on black and all racial motivated violence, provide
strength and economic stability into the community by maintaining
black owned business, instead of drug dealing, and he made plans to
reform the education system. Tupac would frequently invoke the
names of Mutulu, Geronimo, and other “political prisoners” in his
lyrics. “It was like their words with my voice”, he said, “I just
continued where they left off. I tryed to add spark to it, I tryed to be
the new breed, the new generation. I tryed to make them proud of
me” But, at the same time, he did not want to be them. Their
revolution, and in most cases their lives, too, were ashes. Tupac saw
a problem plaguing his generation : self-destraction. In order to
CHANGE the future he needed the movement that would focus on
some sort of law or codes people involved in crime could live by in
order to eventually turn them into productive citizens in their
communities. His movement was[is]called T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E. (The
Hate You Gave Little Infants Fucks Everyone)
He believed with all his heart this movement called T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E. had
a chance. When the top gangsters began listening and telling Tupac
they would follow his lead – this scared various parties of government;
they saw in Tupac what they feared in Dr. Martin Luther King,
Malcolm X, Fred Hampton and others – they saw a REVOLUTIONARY.
Seeing how Tupac outlasted the Media Assault waged against him,
and how he was having a positive and powerful effect on inner cities
all around America, they became intent on eliminating him. They
wanted to do a way with Tupac in a fashion that was old-fashion
[assassination] and guaranteed to work without any connection to
them and the crime. That is where the Entertainment Industry comes
in. The “establishment” or “power that be” have more ties to the
entertainment business than anyone. This plot involves Agents,
Gangsters, CEO’s, Informants, Politicians, and crooked Cops all
working in conjunction to assassinate Tupac Shakur. The
establishment all the way down to the actual triggerment
underestimate Tupac Shakur’s intelligence, prophetic instincts, and
determination. Since the first shooting in 1994 Tupac recieved death
threats, after discovering money owed to him was not paid by Suge
Knight the connection between his known
enemies and those he did not know was realized.
I KNOW YOU ALL ARE CURIOUS AS TO HOW TUPAC SHAKUR
FOOLED HIS ENEMIES.
THE FOLLOWING IS A SECTION OF THE “ALIVE ASPECT” PORTION
OF THE THEORY.
While researching his role [Tupac plays a heroin attack] for the
movie Gridlock’d, Tupac spent a lot of time in hospitals, visiting
heroin addicts. It was a Bellflower Medical Center [9542 E Artesia
Blvd, Bellflower, CA Los Angeles county] that Tupac met Devon Clark
a young man addicted to heroin and slowly dying of Aids. Tupac as
well as other people at the center was suprised at the strong
recemblance the two of them shared. Tupac spoke with Devan who
admitted to being a long time fan he promised Devan he would
return at a later date to listen to his story. Tupac would keep his
promise as he returned to Devan, but this time he was aware of the
plot on his life and wanted to include Devan in his plan to evade
death. He asked Devan if he ever heard of medical procedure
called Euthanasia. Tupac then offered Decan a proposition:
“Give your life, which is gone already, for your family to have
as much money as they need for the rest of their lives?”
At that point Tupac told Devan about the plot on his life and
who he believed was behind it, he explained that he wasn’t exactly
sure when the attempt would take place, but if he survived he
planned to go away, to fake his death and he wanted to use his body
to represent his own knowing there would be no way to avoid the
police from wanting to see his dead body. He told Devan he would be
cremated, so that after initial finger printing they could never
view the body again (It is my belief that Devan Clark accepted
Now understand the clue on the inside of the Makaveli DK7 cover
with the 3 fingerprints. The coroner takes a minimum of 3 of the
deceased fingers and fingerprints for an identification. You also see a
fingerprint in the album “R U Still Down Remember Me” This is also a
clue to let us know he has gone underground. “false identification”
How did Tupac get his finger prints on Devan Clark? It was not as
hard as it may sound, actually the task was probably as easy as an
egg of Silly Putty. Silly Putty is a combination of boric acid and
silicone oil, and can be used to lift fingerprints. If you put Silly Putty
onto your fingers and then carefully peel the mold and replace it on
the hand of another person, it is possible for you to successfully plant
your fingerprints onto them. [Try it! It’s kind of fun, you also need a
For Tupac they used something very similar a combination of boric
acid, silicone oil, and liquid latex to form a very light clear mold in
which his fingerprints were transferred onto Devan Clark [ the mold
has to be burned or melted onto the flesh]
The BLA is more than capable of assisting Tupac [their prince] I’ve
already proved that Commander John Thomas was in Las Vegas
during that time, as well as many other underground comrades.
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